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Post by abisai on Jan 1, 2004 18:46:55 GMT -5
2004 - playoff contender, not doubt 2005 - damage goods, scary prospects of old men falling down repeatedly
Word is they are close to signing Tony Clark. This guy is 120 years old. Not that he was ever any good, let alone replacing Nick Johnson? This guy is Ruben Sierra's slower, weaker, older brother.
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Post by JBOY on Jan 4, 2004 10:23:58 GMT -5
NOW ZIMMER BEAR IS GOING HOME TOO? I BEG OF ALL YANKS FANS TO PRAY THAT BOSTON DOESNT OVERTAKE THE AL. I HATE BOSTON, ITS TEAMS, ITS PLAYERS, AND ESPECIALLY THE FLANKING ASH POLE FANS.
ACTUALLY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE STANK SOX SO AS LONG AS THE YANKS CAN COME THROUGH ENOUGH TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, THEN LET THE BABE HANDLE BOSTON, AND THE YANKS CAN BE UPSET BY THE GIANTS IN THE SERIES.
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Post by Rob G on Jan 6, 2004 3:13:04 GMT -5
Pete rose admitted he gambled on Baseball. I dont fricking beleive it. After all these years. I gotta say after all these years i believe he really did not bet on baseball and is only saying he did so he will be let back in and forgivin.
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Post by abisai on Jan 6, 2004 19:36:33 GMT -5
Rob, I used to think you were an intelligent person until I read that last post. Jokes aside, they have his fingerprints on booky sheets, phone records in excessive detail to bookies, and there are people willing to testify the man bet on the game. Even worse, there was a report he bet AGAINST the Reds whenever Mario Soto pitched. It is well timed though, it is to sell his new book. Right at time of Hall of Fame announcements he does this, pointing out his omission from the Hall. Literally they announced 2004 inductees today and his coming out interview is Thursday. Out of all the weeks of the year, hmm... If I were Paul Molitor or Dennis Eckersley I would be real mad, people will be talking about Pete Rose instead of them. Great player? Yes. Worthy of HOF? Of course. Should be in already if not his dumb ass mistakes. Saw former commish Fay Vincent on ESPN saying, well if he went on tour warning against gambling and sold his soul to that cause it would be one thing, but he is writing a book without apology and complaining about the system that rejects him. Simple as this. After 1919 one rule was posted on every clubhouse in every league: no gambling or you get booted for life. It worked. No one thought Buckner missed the ball on purpose. In 1919, that happened (so they say), in the World Series. Sure, dudes get paid, but the ones that can affect the game the most get paid less. It is the managers, coaches, catchers, pinch-runners, pinch-hitters, relief pitchers that can affect the outcome very easily if they "lay down". Pete Rose gambled hard and there is no way the guy didn't use his position to his advantage. And he deserves whatever he gets. I bet he gets inducted to the Hall the same day he is buried. Right or wrong, he earned his fate and his BS about being wronged is tiresome.
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Post by Rob G on Jan 7, 2004 2:35:25 GMT -5
Yeah your probably right. I say he shoudl definatly get in after hes dead though. I never thought of it in those terms. Good point.
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Post by abisai on Jan 7, 2004 22:45:59 GMT -5
espn.go.com/page2/s/minkoff/040106.htmlsports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1701853Excerpts from Pete Rose book off ESPN website: "I would rather die than lose a baseball game. I hate to lose. There is no temptation on the planet Earth that could ever get me to fix a game -- none --end of story. Second, I never gambled for money. I gambled for the 'action high,' which I got from putting big bucks on the line in an effort to win. So, even if I was on a cold streak and down large to a bookie, I would never be tempted to tank a game." [DKB insert: this from a guy imprisoned for evading taxed and who pimps his autographs and appearances more that George Foreman sells grills.] "I was bothered by the very thought that something might be wrong with me. So I dismissed the thought altogether. You think I gamble too much, I'd think, 'Well f--- you. I'll prove to you that I can get away with it'. After all I was Pete Rose, baseball's all-time hit king. I had more records than anybody on the damn planet. Nothing could possibly be wrong with someone who achieved that much success ... nothing!" "I should have had the opportunity to get help," he writes, "but baseball had no fancy rehab for gamblers like they do for drug addicts." The epilogue of "Pete Rose: My Prison Without Bars" contains the following admission from baseball's Hit King: " I still enjoy gambling at the racetrack, which has always been my favorite pastime. But I've learned to distinguish between the legal and the illegal bets, which is what got me into trouble in the first place. There is a difference between 'getting' into trouble and 'staying' in trouble." This is far short of saying he is sorry or anything remotely close to it. He's a real asshole, that's what made him great as a player, but the entire thing just stinks. It would have been so easy for him to avoid all this, multiple times over, yet he concludes his book stating that he is still a gambler. How can they allow him back into the dugout again. Odds of reinstatement = 0%.
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Post by abisai on Jan 11, 2004 3:44:33 GMT -5
sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=1701992Pete Gammons says: "Rose is perhaps the lowest figure in baseball in my 32 years of covering the sport." & "And until Pete Rose proves to me that he cares about something other than Pete Rose, he does not have my vote." sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=1703439News blurb rumor on ESPN: "But from what we're hearing, the plan was for this book to hit Barnes and Noble after Rose was reinstated." 14 months or so ago, Rose told things to Selig. Mike Schmidt and Joe Morgan lobbied for him. Day after said meeting and plans to reinvent Pete Rose, he went to Las Vegas to gamble. Then he does this crap, ruining Hall of Fame announcements. sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=morgan_joe&id=1701858Joe Morgan now says: "...I know I haven't seen a genuine apology from Rose yet. Nor have I seen any contrition. Here's an excerpt from Rose's book that appeared in an article on ESPN.com: "I'm sure that I'm supposed to act all sorry or sad or guilty now that I've accepted that I've done something wrong. But you see, I'm just not built that way. ... So let's leave it like this: I'm sorry it happened, and I'm sorry for all the people, fans and family that it hurt. Let's move on." Do you see any contrition there? I don't. If you're asking for someone to show you some sympathy, I believe you should show remorse whether you're "built that way" or not. As the vice chairman for the Hall of Fame, I can't speak to whether Rose should become eligible for the Hall now that he's acknowledged he bet on baseball. It's up to commissioner Bud Selig to make that decision. Has Rose met the qualifications that Selig put in front of him for reinstatement? That's the question Selig must answer." My verdict is the guy was betting on Selig to reinstate him and got wind this would not happen or was talked into timing this for maximum publicity and profits by publishers/agents. Either case, he knew this would hurt his cause and has to realize this is nothing short of a publicity stunt by this point. Imagine how different it would have been in a press conference with Mike Schmidt, Joe Morgan, Johnny Bench, all lined up to his left, with Bud Selig and Fay Vincent lined up to his right. Instead he went on a book signing tour. Moron.
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Post by abisai on Jan 11, 2004 4:02:40 GMT -5
www.dowdreport.com/This is the actual report filed by baseball investigation against Pete Rose as well as the agreement they signed. I gleamed: There are records of his calls placed from the clubhouse. Rose denies this. Thing is, clubhouse phones are not the sort of thing that anyone can use and the team had a system of verifying who places calls and the revealed Rose made these calles himself. The known evidence says between April 8-July 5, 1987 he bet 412 times on baseball of which 52 were on his own team. This is crazy high betting, only $2000 a pop, but 3 months is like 90 days. So that's about every other day betting on own team and betting 4.5 times a day averages. And this is just revealed evidence for 3 month period. I can't believe he has the balls to claim this was a new thing for him that he just got sucked into that year and never bet on baseball before or since. The agreement basically says they have the evidence to reveal his gambling habits and they just won't in the interest of settling the matter with agreeable terms and Rose being out of the sport ASAP.
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Post by Rob G on Jan 11, 2004 14:42:48 GMT -5
DAMN Pete
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Post by abisai on Jan 16, 2004 23:16:59 GMT -5
Not only did Roger Clemens unretire and sign with the AStros (Mike PIazza is smiling and licking his chops somewhere), but... the Brewers are for sale. Bud Selig's daughter is primary decision-maker there, which is as virtuous and unbiased as a Pete Rose self-evaluation. Anyways, they are one of the FEW teams that actually claim to make a profit. How? Sell lots of beer, promote heavily, and spend nothing on the players. Fine sell them, right? Wrong! The Expos are still for sale, have more talented players, and offer a better redeemable factor for new ownership AND the league. The only way this makes sense is if Brewers stealing people that could not own the Expos. Remember that the monopoly of baseball does NOT sell to the highest bidder (as was the case two years ago when Red Sox sold to 2nd or 3rd highest bid). Fucking Bud Selig is a joke. It could be so easy. Sell Expos at a discount to Mexico to sustain and promote baseball south of the border, sell off his vested interests in the teams and give some air of legitimacy to his stewardship, require owners to not have interests in other teams (as of last year one guy held share in three teams), institute real drug testing to eliminate any bad press over the controversy, tell Pete Rose to shut his lip or his card is getting pulled, give the umps a raise to make them shut up about the automated video-monitoring and prevent them from striking and being replaced with inexperienced dudes, give players a reason to join the Olympic team and promote the sport there, tell the managers to put anyone in to pitch at the All-Star game instead of letting it just end like nothing ever happened, require minimum budgets for teams to remove the burden of suffering Devil Rays and Pirates sucking forevermore, get a haircut, write Dave Buckley back when he writes you a letter you chump commish piece of shit cock sucker mother fucker. hahahahaha. That felt great. I love this place.
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Post by abisai on Jan 16, 2004 23:20:15 GMT -5
Oh yeah. Hall of Famers against Pete Rose joining them:
Hank Aaron Joe Morgan (after prior support) Ferguson Jenkins Gaylord Perry
I mean if even Gaylord is against you, things are grim indeed.
I'll update this post whenever any more come out against the man.
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Post by JBOY on Jan 17, 2004 9:19:38 GMT -5
YEAH CLEMENS IS COMING TO THE NL. CANT WAIT TO SEE PIAZZA KNOCK HIS BLOCK OFF. HE SHOULD HAVE STAYED RETIRED. REMEMBER TWO YEARS AGO THE YANKEES PLAYED THE GIANTS(I REMEMBER I WAS THERE) CLEMENS WALKED BONDS HIS FIRST 2 AT BATS THEN HIT HIM RIGHT IN THE HEAD. UNTIL THAT MOMENT I NEVER THOUGHT HE HIT PIAZZA ON PURPOSE.
SO WHOEVER GETS TO HIM FIRST BONDS OR PIAZZA I HOPE THEY BOTH HIT HR IN THERE 1ST AB THEN PULL A JUAN MARICAL AND BEAT THAT MOTHER FLIPPING ASHPOLE LIKE A PINATA AT A MEXICAN FIESTA.
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Post by JBOY on Jan 17, 2004 9:32:02 GMT -5
PETE ROSE IS A DICK. YOU BET FOR YOUR TEAM TO WIN IT EFFCTS EVERY DECISION YOU MAKE FOR THE WHOLE GAME. I SERIOUSLY DOUBT HE BET THEM TO LOSE BUT HE DEFINATLY SHOULD NEVER ADMITTED ANYTHING. I KNOW IF SOMETHING IS YOUR LIFE YOU DONT REALLY TREAT IT AS GOOD AS YOU SHOULD UNTIL ITS GONE FOR A WHILE.
BUT YOU HAVE TO ADMIT WHAT A GENIUS HE IS. OBVIOUSLY HE DIDNT WRITE A BOOK OVER NIGHT. SO THROUGH ALL HIS OWN SELF INFLICTED HARD SHIPS, TIMES OF NO MONEY, NO JOB, LAWSUITS, TAX TROUBLE, AND THEN AUCTIONING OFF HIS MEMORIES AND COLLECTIBLES SO HE COULD BUY HIS NEXT MEAL, HE NEVER PUT THIS BOOK OUT. THEN BAM AT THE MOST OPPERTUNE TIME WHERE IT WOULD BENIFIT HIM THE MOST AND HELP AS WELL AS HURT HIS CHANCE AT THE HALL HE IS NOW BACK TO BEING THE GREAT PETE ROSE IN ALL THE HEAD LINES ON ALL THE SHOWS WITH BIG FAT POCKETS AGAIN.
NOW ITS OFF TO VEGAS OR AT LEAST AN O.T.B.
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Post by abisai on Jan 17, 2004 12:31:21 GMT -5
Wow, never knew that about Clemens hitting Bonds in the head. Now that he's not on my team anymore, I won't be offended if Piazza extracts his revenge. And Bonds. And anyone else. I just don't care about the guy anymore. Great pitcher but a little flakey when it comes to that stuff. His fat ass in the batter's box should have a red target on it. I guarantee he leads the NL in pitchers hit by pitches.
How about the AL East? A real battle for third place now, hahaha. Miguel Tejada, Javy Lopez, Denys Baez, Tino Martinez, Sydney Ponson, and whoever are great. But not better than Gary Sheffield, Kenny Lofton, Javier Vazquez, Curt Schilling, and Pokey Reese should be for Yanks and Red Sox.
I still don't understand why the Astros traded Wagner to the Phillies. If it was to save money, they just spent that on Clemens. And he is top-3 closer in the game. 100MPH lefty in the bullpen is priceless.
Giants transactions: Signed Brett Tomko, Jeffrey Hammonds, Dustin Hermanson, Matt Herges, J.T. Snow, Michael Tucker, Scott Eyre, Chad Zerbe, Brian Cooper, Nathan Haynes, Tyler Walker, Kevin Pickford, Robert Stratton, Matt Montgomery, Chris Gissell, Adam Pettyjohn, Francisco Santos, Brian Dallimore, Robert Stratton, Alberto Castillo. I don't know most these guys. Minor league deals for most I think. Don't like Hammonds one lick though. Traded for A.J. Pierzynski and a player to be named later or cash from the Twins for Joe Nathan, Boof Bonser and Francisco Liriano. To me, this is the biggest coup they pulled in baseball over this winter. Twins stupid, Giants win. Declined option on OF Jose Cruz Jr. and 2B Eric Young. No big losses there. Announced RHP Felix Rodriguez has exercised his player option for 2004. OK.
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Post by Rob G on Jan 17, 2004 15:14:38 GMT -5
How bout selling one of these teams to CUBA. I'm serious. Thats where all the best players come from anyway. Castro's got the money. Those people love baseball more then Christianity, communism, or even castro. That would be great. And since its in another country the cubans could hire anyone they want as coach. How bout pete rose. Thats great.
I cant believe Clemens did that. I really believe it was more of a case of Andy just pestering him. "Hey dude, your gonna retire to texas anyway. If we can win a championship there the people will really love you.". And at some point Roger says fine. I cant hate on roger too much. I thought he was washed up when he came to NY and i feel like we got our total moneys worth.
About hitting batters. Roger is still one of the best pitchers in the league. Yet his entire career hes done terrible against the best hitters. More then the average. I've never been able to fully establish that he hits them on purpose but the statistics are extremely suspicious. But one thing i know is Piazza is a p*ssy and is scared of Clemens. Bonds on the other hand would crush roger.I think we are all better off if the creature known as Barry Bonds never tries to physically hurt anyone. I can invision him ripping off rogers limbs and eating. Growing stronger as he gets angirer. BARRY SMASH.
ROB G STILL SCARED OF RED SOX
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