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Post by abisai on Jun 22, 2005 13:50:37 GMT -5
This is a great exercise that keeps on amusing me. I would offer to bring my Bible and perform religious duties for people if they so chose. I like my religion because it espouses suffering - which would be plenty in this scenario - and hope - which we will need. Just as I never forced my religion on you I would not do so in that environment either. It is a positive force that helps ground people and should be used constructively in the new world order. I would rather serve as judge, but know full well that mixing politics and religion is a recipe for disaster. I do think a holding cell or hole should be used for the bitten. Not doing so is a risk to every single person not bitten and the fate of the entire island. Even Fred's short-life span deserves to be respected as a living person and not subjected to the fate of undeath.
I loved the reference to the Jedi Council, Samuel Jackson totally does do everything I never thought of that before. This did lead me to wonder, who is supreme dictator? I nominate Samuel Jackson but doubt that he would want to hang with us losers in his final days.
In Day of the Dead a character sabotages the fortress and directly causes everyone to die. At first glance this seems madness and unreal. But we know reality is crazier than fiction. In fact, people kill themselves in public and disruptive ways all the time. Not just suicide attacks. People step in front of trains for example. People jump off buildings. There is evidence to suggest a foreign commercial airliner that crashed in the ocean was the result of a suicidal pilot. So people willing to accept death can do so quietly and out of public view but often prefer to make a spectacle than can and sometimes is a risk to other people. I find this disturbing and something that an island nation struggling to survive would want to monitor and prevent from affecting the safety of everyone living there.
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Post by larry g on Jun 22, 2005 19:03:21 GMT -5
ths is he greatest thread ever
first off having bannermans as a teporary shelter is ok but i think it is to visible and unse3cure for the long term. after who ever makes it to the island in the first few days. which of course will be the becon crowd and the other peope who take to he water to exscape the slaughter. hopefully ken will steal a boat and sail to the island becaue th roads will be blocked from people trying to flea the citys. kens is a pretty resourceful guy i have faith in him. dave is the problem hes half way across the nation and will never make through the undead and rioting and general lawlessness. if he can make it to his coast he can sail in safety all the way to bannermans. we will need lots of guns, not for the zombies but for protection from the living. once the majority of the world is dead that last 3% has divided into factions. it will be time to start scavenging. there will be a tribal council of the most dominant personalities in the tribe, it will just work out that way. disputes will be settled by combat because without a real governing body trials wont the council will never allow a real cheif at first.. because of this i will have to kill cheesebox because he is the only person who might be able to beat me in a fight. we will have to defend our home from rival tribes that might show up. we will be able to survive on scavenging canned food for the first year or two until the deer population starts to comeback. as far as fish we could sail up the hudson where the water is clean . alot will come down to who can survive the zombies lack of food and hard winters
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Post by abisai on Jun 26, 2005 23:26:18 GMT -5
I caught the Dawn of the Dead remake tonight. It is really good. I would slam four nuts down on the table and demand a replay. In fact I may just have to do that this week. After I check out those DVD extras I have heard so much about. I really liked how they made the gun guy a part of their team. It was a cool addition to the model of the secure mall in the original. It was interesting to see the zombies move so damn fast. I was OK with it, but did not really see what the point of them moving any faster actually was, the threat they pose is always the massive bulk of undead flesh that provides an unstoppable force. I did not know they ended the movie wanting to find their own Bannerman's Island. That is classic. Why didn't you bastards tell me I was so not original? j/k
Again in the Dawn of the Dead remake we see the zombies ignoring other sources of flesh - Chips the dog. And they never turn on one another, just humans. Why would this be. I know it is too much to analyze this deeply. BUT, did anyone else find their eye colors a funny blue? I keep thinking of nano technology replicating itself and spreading through the nervous system in a malfunction of biotechnology. Viruses tinkered with to give them a selective purpose is a primary focus of oncology work to kill cancers. If this theme were expanded to some warped effect... Anyhow, I digress.
Back to the convo. Larry espouses martial law and Ken is on the record that he is willing to assassinate an ineffective leader. This makes me refuse to accept any nominations for leader. I agree with Larry that people will naturally refuse leadership, we're Americans damn it. But at least we would know each other and have something to go from instead of those invariable "everyone put your guns down" moments.
Speaking about people fleeing made me wonder what the train system would end up like. I would presume massive abandonment of posts and a system where switches are not manned and collisions are inevitable. But there could be modern safeguards to prevent that from happening, I do not know (I think in Japan the trains are completely mechanized without engineers). If only we knew someone that could tell us more about trains in America! It is interesting that the trend is upward and onward in shelter for the distancing from the zombies. I had thought of the sewers as a means of transit before, but thought it too risky, impossible to barricade, and potentially inescapable deathtrap full of bum zombies. I like the water transit more and more as a source of clean food and natural border from the zombies. I am assuming they cannot walk under the water to an island from shore. I would also assume that the number of survivors taking to boats would be small enough to form a reasonable alliance with. Or at least a pact of nonaggression. There should be major tracts of land to farm for resources and no need to compete with the living over them. And a single gun makes whoever can beat whoever in a fistfight totally irrelevant. But thinking about it in those realistic terms, the fucking population of the NYC area makes anyone staying anywhere near there in more direct threat than fathomable compared to the rest of the nation. For some reason a Carribean Island seems an idealistic goal. Or at least the less populous Canadian or Greenland shores and islets. There should be caribou and things to eat up there in a functioning ecosystem that sustains Eskimos and polar bears just fine.
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Post by Rob G on Jun 28, 2005 6:36:25 GMT -5
Yes Dawn of the dead remake is the shizzle. I liked it first time i saw it and have watched every single time i come accross it on cable which is alot. Thats when i decided it was really good. After many time watching i notice new shit. Good fucking movie. Probably the best of the dead films with ofcourse a nod to the Night which started it all.
Hey buck, The gun dude is Andy, on the DVD there is a special feature which is the chonicles of Andy. He had a video camera with him and was maintaining a journal. It gives you his whole perspective. NOW THATS A SPECIAL FEATURE.
Buck: Did you sit rhough the credits and see the continuing story through the little intercuts in the credits.
----------------------- BACK TO SURVIVAL: The question is where are we going after Bannermans island. Greenland and those places will have cold winter. Carribean sounds great but thats a hike.
A cruise liner or Aircraft carrier would be great, but i dont think we would be able to get/keep them running. ECO system is very important. We need an actual destination though. Someplace warm with animals to kill.
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Post by abisai on Jun 28, 2005 10:41:07 GMT -5
Yeah I hung thought the credits first time through. Thought that was great. Especially since the whole time I am thinking 'aren't they near Milwaukee? Where the fuck are there islands?" I have heard about the Andy tapes and cannot wait to get to that. He was an endearing character.
My thought on the boats was the tour boats. Stocked with food already and plenty of room within them. If it becomes an island nation, the massive cruisers are literally the size of a small city and with that much capacity. Still need skiffers to speedily get to and fro, no need to dock the cruiser ever.
The Outer Banks in NC can be sequestered from shore by removing one draw bridge and barracading another one. There may be places like that off the eastern shoreboard. City Island rings a bell but I only went there once I think, if that is even the name of it.
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Post by abisai on Jul 1, 2005 12:32:40 GMT -5
OK, I watched the fake news report DVD extra, that was awesome. I liked the part about them removing access to the bridges and tunnels of Manhatten and not knowing if this was to keep people in or to keep people out.
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Post by larry g on Jul 1, 2005 18:07:18 GMT -5
i personally loved dawn 04 ,about the only thing i didnt like was how fast the zombies where. heres the thing, when zombies are that fast, you have no chance. if you have no chance, im not really scared.
the news cast on the dvd was great i love the part where they reported that the la pd was pulling out and making a defences perimiter around beverly hills.
=================================== ive been thinking who would be a good cheif / council leader for our little zombie apocalypse community. my first thought was buckly, a colm responsible leader, but then i thought, buckly get crazy when anyone argues against his deep personal beliefs and thier would probally be alot of arguements like that. so who should it be?
booth= to big and black to be president cheesebox= he would be ok but as president he might be responsible for our food stores and you know what happens when cheese is around food. papo= to much napolien complex ken nasi= another strong charismatic leader, but his right wing fashist conservative agenda would piss me off way to much and he would have to die. rob gault= a good smart trustworthy leader, but no actual desire to be leader. hes more of a work behind the scenes guy much like myself. after relizing none in our party is really fit to lead, i thought and thought , then it came to me there is only one man on the planet that could lead our ragtab bunch of misfits "Ernest Borgnine" many would say "why him, but anyone who ever saw the 1972 master piece the posiden adventure knows why.
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Post by Rob G on Jul 2, 2005 6:16:09 GMT -5
I whole heartily agree. Ernest Borgnine is the clear choice. Why did i not see this before. This is a reveleation. I am willing to go on record as saying i will turn over all decisions to Ernest Borgnine. We will need his calm demeanor and steady nerves when the apocalypse comes. Remember Escape from new york. He knew everything that was going on and stayed on top of things. Hes the experiecne and the know how. Ernest all the way. Good call buck
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Post by LORD BOOTH on Jul 3, 2005 15:31:46 GMT -5
ernist borgnine is great but he hust be about 185 years old by now and would probably be mistaken for an undead monster and killed within 5 minutes of leaving his house.actually it is my personal theory that the dead are already rising but verry slowly,and that mr. borgnine (already being undead) is the leader of their vast underground movement to take us by surprise!i invision him leading an assault on our island.i see him crossing the hudson standing proudly at the front of a large rowboat powered by undead soldgiers pointing at us.reminiscent of a one mr.george washington crossing the delaware www.hoala.org/Grade_7/delawarecrossing.html
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Post by abisai on Jul 4, 2005 9:09:15 GMT -5
This is an accurate depiction of the zombie monsters, since the Hudson would freeze again without the flow of ships up and down, so they would have to split the ice in order to make their way to the island. If you look in the background it appears at first glance the zombies are struggling to reign in horses. Actually the men on the horses are the living in their final moments, struggling to use bayonets against the zombies on the coastline, having been chased there from the mainland. Plus Ernest looks so damned leader-like in this depiction. ;D (This is still the best thread known to man)
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Post by abisai on Jul 4, 2005 9:17:38 GMT -5
The thought occurs to me that there are three basic types. There is the senator willing to take control over a crew of people less able to handle stress. There is the people that freak out or freeze in stress. And finally there is the lone wolf, willing to neither help another person to do a damn thing but perfectly capable to take care of himself. Anyhow, the senators and lone wolfs are not the ones needing a leader. In fact the only ones really needing a leader are the ones that freak out. There is already one among us who has vast experience handling people that freak out, handling the less mentally abled, directing others to obey his superior will and mind. Teaching schoolchildren will tend to do that..... seems to me like the same set of skills needed to direct the weak. Unfortunately, I think Ken would rather murder and slaughter them than to actually serve as mighty protectorate of the weak and stupid. Just a hunch.
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Post by Ken on Jul 4, 2005 13:29:25 GMT -5
It is quite possible that instead of trying to fight my way upstate to Bannermanns Island, I may make my way into the city and slaughter all minorities I encounter, in a lone-wolf, wolverine type of style. In fact, I may closely resemble Ernest Borgnine after a few years, in that I will know every nook and crannny of the city in my war against the undead-minorities.
I also have a real problem in electing Ernest Borgnine because of something you may find weird. Whenever I go to the doctor to get a physical, (a few times the doctors or nurses were really, really hot), I would think of Ernest Borgnine, so I wouldn't become erect. I don't think anybody can become erect if Ernest is around, therefore we would never be able to repopulate the species. So Ernest is out.
One thing that definitely needs to be discussed is the repopulation of our species and the women situation. How will we treat our women? Will they be baby machines, or have a real, respected place in our society? I kind of like the harem idea, myself.
Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself.
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Post by law on Jul 4, 2005 16:49:03 GMT -5
depending on the amount of people we might have a generationally planned breeding program to avoid the whole inbreeding thing . women will have something to say in the decision making but will not get a vote in conbgress because they are stupid and to self center to make any kind of real deal judgment on anything. come to think of it women should not be aloud to speak , because they will bitch to much and attract zombies(wink wink)
today i bought the zombie survival giude by max brooks ,i will pass on all nessary info onto you guys as i read the book.
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Post by Rob G on Jul 6, 2005 3:40:57 GMT -5
The zombies are already getting smarter. They nearly inserted their leader Ernest "Erection Prevention" Borgnine as our leader. What a brillaint plan. While ernest was arround we could not spawn any new people and he could lead us into defeat.
Nice move Deadites, but we're on to you now.
Ken as leader, Yes ken would make an excellent leader. But you must understand that while ken is both wise and kind when dosile he can sometimes be transformed in fits of madness. In one such fit he could exteminate half the population of the island. its his way. We will need like a doctor or someone smart who can relieve him of command likes Bones used to do to Kirk whenever he was taken over by an alien entity or repalced by a mirror version.
So I summit that Ken Leads Buckly judges and can relieve ken if necessary. Larry is point man for danegrous missions. Hes the craziest and knows the most of these monsters. Booth will be in charge of movie heavy things. Like Ken. I will make arrangements for the funerals of Fred and Cheese. As Fred plans to kill himself upon reaching the island and Lar will have killed cheese soon after.
Women, Its not that women cant get a vote. Its that nobody get s a vote. Only faction leaders. If a women gets to that status then she can get a vote. In general women should be treated as property. given only as much respect as their man desevres. And the man is responsible for the actions of his women and children.
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Post by Darth Deucedropper on Jul 6, 2005 12:18:21 GMT -5
I am going to take a boat down the east coast to carolina where i will recruit Joe hunt to do my bidding and be a repair man for everything. we will need expertise to survive and though he is no expert he can rig soem stuff.
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