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Post by Rob G on May 31, 2005 4:35:45 GMT -5
Well this is funny, I have considered this matter many times. And I too always said bannermans island. Its not great for long term. But it is a great immediate resort. I will head there too.
But always i consider i will need my friend to form a nice force and ofcourse the new world order. The problem is that when the apocalypse come it will be like making a wedding guest list but with like 20 people instead of 2. We will each want to save all our extended family and other friends and this will continue forever.
I will try to figure a way arround this.
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Post by Ken on Jun 3, 2005 5:18:35 GMT -5
That's not a problem for me. I have no friends except you guys, my family is spread out all over the place and will probably die within the first 5 minutes anyway, so it'll just be me and Rosa and some "kill-guys" who I'll "off" on shore before the crossing.
Oh yeah, and my turtles.
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Post by abisai on Jun 9, 2005 13:52:52 GMT -5
Land of the Dead is getting real-deal commercial time and everything like it is a real movie. I will be very interested to see what Romero has to bring to the table after all these years and am a little bit excited about the prospects already.
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Post by abisai on Jun 9, 2005 13:56:35 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I always thought that in an Apocalyptic scenario the only way to survive is to same you and those immediately around you. Almost regardless of who they actually are.
There was a time magazine article about stress a couple months back that actually affirmed 85% of people freeze up entirely. 5% completely go ape-shit and lose their minds. 10% buckle down and get shit done. They told of an airline crash were people had 2 minutes to get out before it exploded. The survivors recalled looking back to see their old friends back their strapped in and motionless with fear. The only way to deal there is to save your own ass and those around you.
So when I get to Bannerman's I'll have a complete wack pack ready to serve as fodder for the inevitable seafaring zombies. You know they gain intelligence at some point in the movie, so it will only be a matter of time.
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Post by Rob G on Jun 10, 2005 0:47:14 GMT -5
Yeah,
Bucks probably right, I will inform my family and friends that the rendevous point is Bannersman island. make it there if you can cause i aint waiting. Though I will tell people i dont partucularly care for that the rendevous point is Saint Lukes Cemetary.
I figure once on the island we will have to aquire a boat. Best chance of that is to recover one of the vehicles on shore and obtain a boat at the nearby Cold Spring Marina. We should get two boats if we can. One for daring missions and one in reserve.
Bannermens aint a final solutiion but I figure we will atleast be there for many weeks. So we will have to establish a social heirarchy. Some kindof order. Democracy is great but very slow and inefficient. What system will we use? How will disputes be decided? What about new folks we pick up? What do we do when someone is bitten?
Lets get this figured out now so we dont have to when we are cold starving and tired on the island
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Post by abisai on Jun 10, 2005 9:23:35 GMT -5
This is a wonderful Friday afternoon distraction ;D
I always thought that a benevolent dictator was the most efficient form of government. But people refuse to accept this. So I think a majority rule is enough. Headed by an arbiter who in effect acts as dictator unless overruled by the majority. Again since speed and immediacy are required in most zombie scenarios a lot would go right out the window. Maybe a buddy system should be employed to keep level-headed people in protective custody over irrational people that crack under pressure. It is hard to saw who is in which category though until the shit hits the fan and by then it may be too late. I'll call my squad the NC State and I'll take accountability for my handful. I think there should be other squads formed of small size and the heads of the squads should be the only ones who vote on most decisions.
New folks should be assigned where they best fit socially. They should be accepted as new resources with some skill set and value. If absolutely nothing else, another body between you and the zombies.
The bitten are killed off after making their final goodbyes. Unless there is a scientist able to use their bodies for research to try and find a clue to combatting the zombieness.
Agreed, Bannerman's is too small to make for a long term solution. We need a bigger island. I would nominate those Canadian Islands up the Hudson. Something big enough to house a natural environment that can sustain, but small enough that it can be cleared of zombies. Plus there are fewer people up there and presumably fewer zombies as a result.
We'll need as many boats as we can muster. Maybe a seafaring life is the ultimate conclusion. Like a tourboat or one of those fancy ships that cruises to fancy places. Combine that with some little zippers to reach the coastlines and you could transport people relatively safely for long distances. That is good. Zombies love to corner you in and cannot do so on the open sea.
I nominate the Beacon Sloop for immediate commandeering for the purposes of open sea travel that is not reliant on fuel.
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Post by Darth Deucedropper on Jun 11, 2005 5:06:07 GMT -5
I am out for one person....me. I will not take responsibilitie for anyone. If anybody gets in my way they too go down. As far as water goes, I hate fish so I may have to kill myself.
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Post by abisai on Jun 11, 2005 10:00:43 GMT -5
This board has the funniest shit ever read. I hate fish so I must kill myself, fucking classic. I loved Rob telling Cheese to have a nice life on the other thread, this plce is bananas.
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Post by Ken on Jun 12, 2005 8:20:20 GMT -5
Let's not forget, we will need boats that can run on wind power as well because fuel reserves will be inherently low. Foraging for fuel on the mainland will be fraught with danger as there will potentially be zombies around every corner. So we will have to learn to actually SAIL a boat under wind power after a certain amount of time. Canoes are very efficient for human powered boats, but people tire easily.
Lar had a very good point yesterday. The winters are very cold up her in NY and zombies, being stupid, would eventually freeze to death or in their tracks. So if the zombie apocalypse happens in summer, we would just have to wait it out until winter, then foraging for anything on the mainland would be safer.
As for government, I refuse to follow anybody who does not inspire me with toughness, logic, bravado and fairness. In this new world order, I will have no problem killing an inefficient leader, as I cannot allow to have innefficiency or incompetency have control over my life.
As for the buddy system? I think the irrational, weak people should be placed in charge of keeping the island clean, cooking the meals and sewing.
At first, maybe a class system, of Warriors and Supporters. The Warriors go out, hunt, and generally protect the island. The Supporters take care of the rest, cooking, cleaning, building, etc. If the zombie threat ever dwindles, then the Warriors could be reabsorbed into a peaceful society that would evolve into some sort of Republic, and the Warriors would evolve into the Armed Forces.
So as not to feel like outright murderers, a very secure prison or cell should be set up for those that are bitten. These people should be placed there to await their "turning" into a zombie. It is only then that they are killed. It is easier to kill a mindless creature then a real human, and thus easier on the conscience.
I think we will definitely need a set of laws and some form of judiciary to deal with the new practical problems that will arise. Whatever system of government is enacted, this judiciary should be separate and apart from the leader, so as not to take away the leader's valuable time with petty squabbles.
I also hate fish, but I guess I will have no choice. The bigger problem is the fish themselves. Can you eat the fish out of the Hudson River on a daily basis and not die of poisoning, radioactivity, or mutating into some genetically hideous monster?
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Post by Rob G on Jun 12, 2005 10:48:19 GMT -5
You guys are so smart. Both buck and ken agree the meak should have no say, atleast not in the beginning. So it sounds like the interim government goes like this.
Only people who actually kick ass and kill shit get a say.
Of the ass kickers, there is one Facilitater who tries to organise things into a rational thought. He ofcourse can be overridden by a concensus of ass kickers.
I think the meak should have a leader too. The governer of Banners island if you will. I think this person should act as the judicial system. Its just too much of a conflict of interest to have an asskicker up for judiciator and facilitator. Plus this is will make the meak feel like they have representation. And if we dont like this dudes rulings we kill him and have the meak vote on a new governer.
Larry has said before that in winter the zombies will freeze. The thing is dead tissue should not be able to move in the first place. I would not bank on the wionter talking care of the zombies. I think there should be enough fuel arround for the early years. theres actually a boat gas station right by bannermans.
Eventually i figure the power plants will all melt down making what was formerly the 1st world regions unlivable. I think we will have to find a new home somewhere far from any power plant. It seems like all roads are leading to canada
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Post by abisai on Jun 12, 2005 10:59:44 GMT -5
You know, you are only supposed to eat like 2 fish a month from the Hudson because of PCPs. This island could soon fall victim to environmental waste and mutation. Excavations must be made to reservoirs and finding other sources of food.
The Beacon Sloop is a giant boat with sails, like a pirate ship. Us becoming pirates should mean we take that thing.
I would not think the winter would harm a zombie lifeform. Even worse, with the loss of traffic up and down the Hudson, the water surface would freeze again allowing direct access to the island by whatever is out there.
My deal with the buddy system is that even if you give them power over nothing the irrational people could crack at any given time and start throwing things in the river, pissing in potable water, or other stupid things. I would not trust them to be able to govern themselves and think that a body of them is suseptible to mob-like behavior. The end result being a massacre of these resources. I say hedge the bets and separate them rather than uniting them.
I caught the end of Day of the Day last night on Sci-Fi. Second time around I found it easier to accept the irrational behaviors and lack of cooperation among the living. The first time I watched these were real forehead slappers, but now I was able to accept that people juse plain do stupid shit to save their own asses and will jeopardize the lives of many others if they have to.
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Post by Rob G on Jun 13, 2005 14:55:31 GMT -5
I undertsand what your saying now buck.
Ok then, maybe we should devide the meak up according to the function they will fulfill. The cleaning crew, the cooking crew, the hunter fisher crew. Each group reporting to a different master. One of us. THE POWERFUL. Then they will fued with each other and not us. Like the city states of ancient rome.
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Post by abisai on Jun 13, 2005 15:58:04 GMT -5
Kirk and Spock always brought a nameless dude along on the mission for a reason, if you know what I mean. More resources are good.
But if I can't get on the island because I brought a wack pack, I would have no problems parting ways with them. After all, this is my chance to become a functioning member of society!
If the retards and freakout people get to stay, I like calling them subsets with names of states, like how people in the Army get called by state or city names. The heads of the units could be called Senators in name and have a real deal tribal council atop the lookout where Larry built the fire when we went out to the island that one time at night. Just so long as I get a seat at the fire, I would want to be on the island.
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Post by Ken on Jun 13, 2005 20:09:31 GMT -5
A real obstacle we will have to deal with is the ratio of people to available nutrition. We will onlyt be able to feed so many people without being either uncomfortable or on the verge of starvation. How many people can we realistically support on any food reserves, and water reserves as well, on the island.
Good idea, creating clans of people who will eventually fued over silly things like who is more valuable on the island, the cleaners, cooks or foragers. This will keep them busy while we RULE. Then, when we tire of their shit, we waste them.
I like this new world order.
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Post by Rob G on Jun 21, 2005 16:08:30 GMT -5
So just to make sure i got this.
The people will be devided up into small groups, each group serving a function. Each group will have a senator, one of us who votes in council for island affairs. Among the senate there will be the Optimus Prime Minister who invokes full authority in times of trouble but who can be overrideen by a majority vote. Concerning crimes and such will be decided by the senate aswell.
This reminds me of the Jedi council. A small group of individuals who rule on things. But most of the time Samuel L jackson just makes the decisions. And when big shit needs be done they send one of their members.
I see a scenario where a boat has been spotted and Buckley is like "One of us most recover this". And Papo is like "I should be the one to go", and Booth is like "Dangerous this mission, someone more experience, a master must go". And Cheez says "Yes, Master Ken Nasi should be sent".
Now when someone bitten they get thrown in some hole till they die right. What about after death. I imagine some of the people who reach the island will die shortly after. We already know that Fred Torres will not eat fish and will immediatly commit subuku on the island. Will there be services. Is there religion on the island. Be careful how you answer this one my friends. Religion is a powerful weapon and source of unrest.
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