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Post by Rob G on Oct 17, 2003 6:45:23 GMT -5
THE YANKS WIN THE YANKS WIN
"The phone is ringing, oh my god."
See my last post for near accurate prediction. Boston has big lead going into 8th inning. Later comes the walk off home run.
I cant belief it. That must of been the best game I ever saw. The home runes, the whos and has. God damn it was intense. When the yankes were down 5-2 with pedro in i was like oh no. No body gets 5 runs of Pedro, it dont happen. I hate the little basterd but he is reall really good. But this the bronx baby, we gets down.
How bout Mariano rivero pitching 3 shut out innings. He has not pitched 3 innings since in nearly a decade. Did you see how emotional he was. I swear hes still carrying baggage from giving up the final run vs. the diamondbacks. Which no one blamed him for. All real yankee fans are aware that without Rivera we would not have acheived as much as we have in last 10 years. The guy is awesome and showed it tonight.
And Aaron Boone. Holy god. He just jumped into Yankee lore. That home run will be shown in every yankees trailer for all time. Did you see him raise his arms in triumph before the ball even left the feild. Bad ass.
Whats funny to me is that we had Ventura at 3rd base. And he was good. I had no problems with him. Then Torre, sage of baseball gets Boone. Who i think is a little better but not needed. Then come this game Boone aint even in the lineup. Things get tough and Torre puts him in. 1 pitch, 1 swing, ITS MILLER TIME. Did torre just have him on the Bench for 10 innings letting the guys bat charge up.
I cant entirely except Boone as a yankee as he is new guy. I would rather someone like Jorge Posada, my favorite yankee hit the big shot. But Jorge is the one who brought the lead back. Still Boone is just a nice guy. A farmbuy who probably goes to church. And now he is BAD ASS for life. DId you see his brother Brett Boone (an awesome baseball player) was in the commentator box and was stunned speechless when his brother broght the house down.
Did you see Mariano crying on the ground. Did you see Zim crying in the locker room. Torre crying on the field. The emotion was insane.
Then torre did something totally uncharacteristic but so rightious and perfect. He said a simple thing...
"It felt good to beat that ball club"
Yeah joe telll it like it is. They deserve nothing but sh*t form an ass in their face.
When i saw Wakefeild come out i thought all hope was done. But no, not today baby. And props to Giambi who was moved back in lineup because he is usually not good against pedro. He hit two home runs.
Damn, what a game. Now bring on the FISH.
------------ One last thing. People always say yankee fans are all about production and the team onyl wins cause of money. Roger clemens gave a really bad performance but when he left the feild the fans cheered. He might of lost the whole show for us but we appreciate what hes done for us and for baseball. So he got his props even in the worst situation. We're about heart baby.
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Post by Darth Deucedropper on Oct 17, 2003 7:53:12 GMT -5
WOW! what a game! I thought we were done. Not Pedro not in the last game !!!!!!! This cannot be the way......and it was not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The emotion ......Karma I cannot feel bad for the sox . They got what was coming to them and so did Pedro. I am glad he stayed in and happy that he lost Yankees forever!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by abisai on Oct 26, 2003 1:57:18 GMT -5
Well, they should have swept those first four games if all (literally) a couple plays went the other way. nuts.
It was a good season though and in a lot of ways the Boston series felt more like the World Series than what just concluded. Maybe that's why I am not as disappointed as I might otherwise be.
I would hope George congratulates them for playing well and doesn't destroy the team. I mean, they played like absolute crap against the Marlins on many levels, errors all around strikeouts like they were going out of style. My man Soriano set a record while breaking my heart time and time again with his whiffs. d**n. What now? You can bet on some major changes.22
Let's examine the playoff roster... Pitchers: :'(Roger Clemens - Hall of Famer says he's retiring. Too bad, let's hope he reconsiders, but that is doubtful. :)Jose Contreras - under contract to come back and should be a fixture in the rotation (until 2006) :-/Chris Hammond - under contract to come back and should be a fixture in the rotation (until 2005), but his performance might have earned him a ticket out of the big apple, so long as they can find an upgrade to replace him. :(Felix Heredia - has an option to return in 2004. After the Yanks got him, he was erratic. Expect a sign and trade deal. :)Mike Mussina - under contract to come back and should be a fixture in the rotation (until 2006) :)Jeff Nelson - free agent. I bet they bring him back. He showed heart in the Boston bullpen, that's got to count for something. :)Andy Pettitte - free agent. But he was drafted a Yankee and I bet he retires a Yankee. :)Mariano Rivera - under contract to come back and should be a fixture in the rotation (until 2004), he was drafted a Yankee and I bet he retires a Yankee. :-/Jeff Weaver - contract calls for him to make a total of $15.5 million over in 2004-2005. IF they can find takers, expect them to trade this guy ASAP. He's been horrible, we miss Ted Lilly and El Duque because of him! They will likely PAY someone to take Weaver away. :'(David Wells - Yanks have an option to have him for 2004. But he wrote a bad book and argued with the coaching staff, plus there are great pitchers available in the free agent pool. Despite his love for us and vice versa, I think his career as a Yankee has come to a close. He may retire if they do not take him back. :-/Gabe White - has an option for 2004. Likely to return as a situational pitcher. He's talented, but yet to show it in pinstripes. Could be replaced with sign and trade for someone better, you never know. Catchers: :(John Flaherty - free agent. Unlikely to return. :)Jorge Posada - under contract to come back and should be a fixture behind the plate (until 2006); he was drafted a Yankee and I bet he retires a Yankee.
Infielders: :)Aaron Boone - under contract to come back and should be a fixture in the infield. This is his last season before free agency, so expect big things. Then again, I think he looked horrible whenever I saw him play. He better get better quick or else I guarantee George will pull strings. We gave up a top-top-top pitching prospect for this guy, he better produce. :)Jason Giambi - under contract to come back and should be a fixture in the infield (until 2008). HOWEVER, if Steinbrenner wants to make an example of anyone and can make a power move to replace Giambi with someone, do not be surprised. But he is injured, will be questioned about steroids, and who knows if he'll play another season in pain. No one wants that and I doubt the Yankees will allow another season of it, especially with Nick Johnson around. Expect him and his massive salary to play with the Yankees until he retires. :)Derek Jeter - under contract to come back and should be a fixture in the infield (until 2011) he was drafted a Yankee and I bet he retires a Yankee. :)Nick Johnson - has no contract, but not eligible for free agency yet, so he's bound to come back; he was drafted a Yankee and I bet he retires a Yankee. :)Alfonso Soriano - has no contract, but not eligible for free agency yet, so he's bound to come back; but like Giambi, his struggle make him the potential subject of the wrath of the Boss. No man is safe in pinstripes unless they perform and as much as I love this guy, he flunked big time this post-season. He needs major improvements, but his "potential" makes him impossible to give up on, he should be around forever. Unless he struggles early next season and gets the boot. :-/Enrique Wilson - free agent. Unlikely to return unless they can get him real cheap. I bet it happens though.
Outfielders: :-/David Dellucci - has no contract, but hard playing defensive replacement and pinch runner off the bench, he should be around again. :'(Karim Garcia - I don't think he has a contract yet, but he deserves one after his performance in the playoffs. Unfortunately, expect the Yankees to go all out for a top free agent to plug into right field (Gary Sheffield anyone?) Might be a good guy to have coming off the bench and I hope they come to an agreement. :)Hideki Matsui - under contract to come back and should be a ficture in the outfield (until 2005). There is talk of moving him or replacing him with better players, but I hope not and doubt they'd forgo that Japanese international promotion revenue. Godzilla is a Yankee forever for that reason I bet. :)Juan Rivera - has no contract, but not eligible for free agency yet, so he's bound to come back. Thing is, he will almost certainly be traded away as the Yanks pursue big name free agents for the outfield. :(Ruben Sierra - has no contract and despite his heroics in the post-season, unless he accepts a minimal salary he's gone again. There is a chance he'll be back, but it is very very slim. :)Bernie Williams -under contract to come back and should be a fixture in the infield (until 2005) he was drafted a Yankee and I bet he retires a Yankee.
Others under contract: :)Stever Karsay - (until 2006) should play this out with Yankees unless he really messes up or remains injured forevermore. :)Jon Lieber - (until 2004) should be a ficture in the rotation, so long as he remains injury-free :'(Drew Henson - (until 2004) football, here he comes, Yankees save dough and this guy gets to see what the NFL is all about.
This leaves a projected squad including: Mussina, Contreras, Pettitte, Lieber + free agent signing as the starting rotation Bullpen will no doubt go thru more changes, with Gabe White/Hammond/free agents hanging in the balance, but Nelson might be there with Karsay, and of course Rivera to close. The infield would be the same, Posada, Giambi, Soriano, Jeter, Boone, and Nick Johnson. Enrique Wilson might come back as all-purpose back-up. Bernie and Godzilla should be in the outfield, with some free agent filling the right field corner. Gary Sheffield is a free agent and the most talented one available... It has been rumored the Yanks would move Soriano to center, since he makes errors in the infield and is faster and younger than Bernie, but this logic means moving Gozilla out of left field. He has too weak an arm for right field and the DH is clogged by Johnson/Giambi combo. If it comes to that, then there will have been radical changes. The most likely is the trading of Nick Johnson or Hideki Matsui. Both are bad ideas to me, but I am not the billionaire owner of a perennial champion ball club.
Oh yeah, and Torre is under contract for another season, but everything else could change on the staff. Zimmer said he's quitting, but don't expect him to stop after going on 5987 years of baseball. Stottlemyre shoud be back for one last run at it and Randolph too. I can almost guarantee the batting coach gets served as the sacrificial lamb for the slumbing Yanks losing the World Series. Plus I bet there will be a strong push to have Mattingly take over that role. And although Brian Cashman has no contract, he has every right to demand a return next season and far beyond. It remains to be seen if George is crazy in the head or if he will keep this talented GM.
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Post by Rob G on Oct 26, 2003 4:00:47 GMT -5
I cant believe we lost. Oh man cheez is gonna be so happy. What a waste. The florida marlins. I think of the as like AAA team. Ah whatever. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY better then losing to Boston.
I love Pudge and his gang of 15 year olds. The coach of Marlins is good sh*t too. I just dont like expansion teams. Well the good news is we wont have to face this team next year as no doubt the whole team will be gutted.
If only Dave wells did not have back spasms. Actually the marlins got alot of breaks. But i can say atleast the marlins played their best when they had too. We did not.
Hey did you know the Marlins have just as may world series victories as the METS and they have only been playing for a few years.
Mwahahahahahahahh
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Post by abisai on Oct 27, 2003 22:00:38 GMT -5
AL Baltimore: Scott Erickson, rhp; x-Pat Hentgen, rhp Boston: x-Derek Lowe, rhp; Dave McCarty, of; x-Jeff Suppan, rhp; Mike Timlin, rhp ChicSox: Bartolo Colon, rhp; Carl Everett, of; Tom Gordon, rhp; x-Esteban Loaiza, rhp Kansas City: Raul Ibanez, of; Graeme Lloyd, rhp; Rondell White, of Minnesota: Eddie Guardado, rhp; LaTroy Hawkins, rhp; Shannon Stewart, of Oakland: Keith Foulke, rhp; Jose Guillen, of Seattle: Michael Cameron, of; Shigetoshi Hasegawa, rhp; Arthur Rhodes, rhp Texas: Juan Gonzalez, of; John Thomson, rhp; Ismael Valdes, rhp Toronto: Kelvim Escobar, rhp; Cory Lidle, rhp NL Arizona: x-Miguel Batista, rhp; Mike Myers, rhp Atlanta: Roberto Hernandez, rhp; Greg Maddux, rhp; Kent Mercker, rhp; Gary Sheffield, of ChiCubs: Antonio Alfonseca, rhp; Doug Glanville, of; Kenny Lofton, of; y-Sammy Sosa, of Cincinnati: Todd Van Poppel, rhp Florida: Todd Hollandsworth, of; Ugueth Urbina, rhp LA: Andy Ashby, rhp; Jeromy Burnitz, of; x-Brian Jordan, of Montreal: Vladimir Guerrero, of Philadelphia: Terry Adams, rhp; x-Jose Mesa, rhp; Kevin Millwood, rhp; x-Michael Williams, rhp. Pittsburgh: Reggie Sanders, of St. Louis: x-Mike DeJean, rhp; x-Jeff Fassero, rhp; x-Sterling Hitchcock, rhp San Diego: Rod Beck, rhp; x-Trevor Hoffman, rhp San Francisco: Jose Cruz Jr., of; Jeffrey Hammonds, of; a-Robb Nen, rhp; Sidney Ponson, rhp; Timothy Worrell, rhp
Very real possibility of Gary Sheffield or Vladimir Guerrero wearing pinstripes and holding down right field in years to come. Lesser choices would be: Reggis Sanders, Jose Cruz Jr., Mike Cameron, Shannon Stewart, or Kenny Lofton. Expect them to go big-time after the top two.
Pitchers are also the focus, especially relief. Closers could come to down as set-up men, yes plural, closers. Candidates: Eddie Guardado, Keith Foulke, or Timothy Worrell. Real set-up men available include: LaTroy Hawkins, Shigetoshi Hasegawa, Arthur Rhodes, or Antonio Alfonseca. It has been said that THE GUY they want most this off-season is LaTroy Hawkins. I hope they get Arthur Rhodes too and they might. Starters, well, how about Bartolo Colon's fat ass up in the rotation? Other choices: Kelvim Escobar, Kevin Millwood, or Sidney Ponson. I like Millwood better than Colon who I think is overrated and overfed.
Should be interesting. Especially if Brian Cashman cut as reigning GM. Then all bets are off and the madman known as King George does wackiest things under the sun and no one can predict what he'd do. The only players guaranteed to return under his rule would be Jeter, Posada, Bernie, Mussina, and Rivera. Probably Godzilla too. Everything else could be swept away and my heart would be broken at the loss of talented players.
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Post by abisai on Oct 27, 2003 22:07:35 GMT -5
One last thing: People will complain after Yanks spent dozens of millions of dollars on free agents this off-season. But watch how much Pudge Rodriguez gets on the market when the Yankees have ZERO interest in him. He should get $15/year, easy. Almost as easily as the best player received $25/year despite lack of any bidding war and NO interest from the Yanks in A-Rod.
The point is that the Yankees are not the sole blame of competitive imbalance. A better case is made for teams that spend $30/year for their entire roster and give away anyone that wants a contract they are worth on the market. Like the A's not even considering to resign Miguel Tejada and just letting him go for nothing. Again, the Yanks will likely show NO interest in him and despite his really bad season he should get near $10/year somewhere, maybe for the stinkbag know as the Mets.
Yes, all rambling babble about the Yankees returns to the fact that the Mets are downright pathetic. Good point about them having as many World Series titles as the ten-year old Marlins. It was hard rooting for the Yankees during the 80s and early 90s when they sucked and all I remember is Mets fans making fun of the Yankees as if they were really that much better themselves. Then 2000 Subway Series came and we all got to point and say, "see, we really are better" and yet they still run their lips like Texas Tunnels.
Yankees in 2004.
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Post by Rob G on Oct 28, 2003 10:33:09 GMT -5
I am no baseball officianato,
But i tend to think the bank roll has to end somewhere. Me thinks the yanks will make very little pick-ups and we will go foward under manned and begin an era of medicrede. This is just my gut feeling. But ofcourse i hope we get Vladimir and many other awesome players that dont speak english. The less english the better. I hear Soriano speaks much better japanese then he does english. Thats fantastic. Atleast godzilla has someone to talk to.
In defense of one met fan. Cheez purposly did not talk any shit. Very classy on his part.
And for the record. We got more world series then i can count. The excitment for me just aint there no more. But on a counter note, that Red sox series was perhaps the best series i ever saw. All time epic.
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Post by abisai on Oct 31, 2003 3:54:07 GMT -5
Exit stage left: Don Zimmer and batting coach Rick Downs (sp?)
I think the Yankees are the best at how they spend their money. I used to argue that money was not all there is to the winning in baseball. But I also know some stats and did a little basic analysis. It was rather enlightening. If I feel up for it I'll relay the results. The point? Money is important and does separate the field from one another.
But no matter what conversation we have about money and Yankees, look at how pathetically the Mets spend away for NOTHING. Mo Vaughn gets top ten salary in baseball and he doen't even play. He's not even the best firstbaseman on the team. Poor Met fans. I actually like the team by now, fun to root for, but the organization is run by children or something.
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Post by abisai on Oct 31, 2003 3:56:32 GMT -5
Blah blah.
My point is that it's not the Yankees that are solely to blame. Others do it too and no one cares. They just single out the Yankees as "bad."
Blah blah.
[glow=green,2,300]HULK ANGRY[/glow]
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Post by Rob G on Oct 31, 2003 9:33:22 GMT -5
Drew Hensen,
This shit is insane. As i undertsand it the guy has been signed by the yanks for 3 years already. And he will be paid 12 million over next 3 years by yanks. And the yanks are not interested in him no more. Apparently the guy is more then good at Football and having been drafted by the houston texans in the nfl there is trong pressure for him to play football. The thing is his yankee contract dont allow him to play football. So he can sit arround and wack off for next 3 years and earn 12 million or can play football. I am preatty sure rookies in football cant make more then like 500,000 for first few years. SO why would he do this. What a bizzarre set of circumstances.
I wonder if the guy will ever amount to anything in either sport.
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Post by abisai on Oct 31, 2003 14:42:31 GMT -5
I saw Drew Henson's first hit at a double-A game in Conn. I thought it was great, thinking he'd become the next Mike Schmidt after all the hype. I saw him look like a moron on the curveball, like he never saw one before, but same held true when Charles McKinney struck out Dee Brown every time he came to the plate in high school. I wish I could hit a curveball, I'd be a millionaire!
Here's statistics: Unmanipulated correlation between regular season winning percentage and percentage of top salary paid is .548. This means 54.8% of your wins come from the variable of salary spent. Convincing in and of itself. Remove the Yankees from this comparison and the correlation becomes .493, still very big role of money.
However, the truth is that if you look at the numbers, and lump together the teams that spend around the same ballpark salary, you find that there were basically five clusters of teams in 2003: 1. The winners: won .589, spent .753 (averages here) 2. Smart spenders?: won .535, spent .552 3. Dumb spenders?: won .503, spent .445 4. Lottery teams: won .461, spent .312 5. Losers: won .447, spent .157 If you buy these clusters of teams (I have graphs to support), the correlation of money spent to victories is .987. Game over. All wins come from money. Rule applicable in the general sense and you can find numerous individual examples, but the general rule should apply. My next step is to find old data from way back and see if this held true in years past.
Glimpse at the clusters: 1. Winners: NY Yankees, LA, Boston, Atlanta - similar strategies; pay big, better damn well win or else they spend more money (3 of 4 in playoffs) 2. Smart Spenders?: San Francisco, Seattle, NY Mets, Chicago Cubs, St. Louis - similar strategies; pay large salaries with limits, compete very strongly (2 of 5 in playoffs) 3. Dumb Spenders?: Arizona, Texas, Philadelphia, Chicago Sox, Anaheim, Minnesota, Baltimore, Houston - teams saddled with salaries of underperforming teams, weak competitors (1 of 8 in playoffs) 4. Lottery teams: Colorado, Cincinnati, Florida, Oakland, Cleveland, Detroit, Montreal, San Diego, Kansas City, Pittsburgh - similar strategies; pay little, go young, avoid free agents, hope to get lucky (2 of 10 in playoffs) 5. Losers: Milwaukee, Toronto, Tampa Bay - similar strategies; make no effort to spend any money on players, laugh at free agents, sell all beer and tickets you can squeeze out of pathetic teams that will never have any chance (0 of 3 in playoffs)
These are all my opinions, take them as such and feel free to call me a moron. Again I say, it's not just the Yankees. They are just the easiest to point at. Especially since in their division they outspend another top spender (Boston) and two teams don't spend anything and don't make any effort to threaten competitively (Toronto & Tampa Bay). :oA-Rod made more last year than the entire Tampa Bay roster. ($22 mil v $18mil)
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Post by rob g on Nov 1, 2003 3:19:38 GMT -5
Thats funny cause i'd takle AROD over the whole tampa team. Arod pitching by himself and hitting at every spot. I guess i'd have to have volunteers as pinch runners. Or maybe they just pitch to him at whatever base hes on. COOOOLll.
So i guess money is the whole ancheloda. I think a salary cap would be good but you would have to make it soooo low that it would be rediculous. If tampa bay can get a team for 18 million and thats OK then i think NYC should be allowed to have 5 teams. Yankees, mets, giants, dodgers, and the staten island ramming speed ferries. A team in each bourrough. That would be cool.
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Post by abisai on Nov 4, 2003 19:50:30 GMT -5
Exit stage left: David Wells, Gabe White, & Antonio Osuna
Enter stage right: Don Mattingly as batting coach and Luis Sojo as first base coach.
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Post by abisai on Nov 9, 2003 0:47:04 GMT -5
Why Pedro should keep his silence: after not speaking to the press, he gives interviews only to address game 7 and claim that he told Grady Little he could have gotten Matuis out (got a hit), but that he should have then been taken out against Posada (another hit).
What the bloodclot? Can he not take responsibility and suck it up? Snotty nosed punk should keep his trap shut more often.
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Post by JBOY on Nov 22, 2003 12:55:00 GMT -5
THE YANKS SHOULD HAVE GONE AFTER (THE ONLY NL MVP CANIDATE) BARRY BONDS INSTEAD OF THE LOSER WHOS HALF BLIND GIAMBI. IF YOU TAKE THE NUMBER OF TIMES GIAMBI STRUCK OUT IN 03 YOU WOULD HAVE TO ADD 01 02 03 TOGETHER FOR BONDS TO HAVE THAT MANY. ALL BONDS NEEDS IS A RING ALL THE YANKS NEED IS BONDS.
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