ring87
General Greivous
3rd density endgame.
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Aug 30, 2006 7:47:57 GMT -5
Post by ring87 on Aug 30, 2006 7:47:57 GMT -5
Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs. 911, Columbine and an old army colonel. I appreciate the message but I really see this as some type of pro-sheepdog thing. I mean; I like sheep dogs and stuff. But sometimes they can't get the hair out of thier own eyes.
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Aug 30, 2006 23:45:21 GMT -5
Post by abisai on Aug 30, 2006 23:45:21 GMT -5
I endorse the gentleman from Beacon and this Killology stuff sounds like a real wackjob - confusing warfare with policing.
I don't believe any of us having or using firearms makes any of us any safer. It does make you more of a threat to someone else who has a firearm. I have had one in my face by someone really motivated to use it - as most you guys know full well. If anyone I was with actually had a firearm, I guarantee shots woul dhave fired and I might not be annoying you with sidebar messageboard posts. On the contrary, perhaps my unarmed involvement helped diffuse the situation without escalating it to a point of irreparable harm (it shifted the focus from a man with a chain to an unarmed man, lessening the immediate threat to the criminal). The only reason to have a gun is to use it. Confronting an armed criminal only compels him to make logic manifest.
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Aug 31, 2006 0:14:03 GMT -5
Post by abisai on Aug 31, 2006 0:14:03 GMT -5
www.killology.com/book_twospace_summary.htmThe Two-Space War by Dave Grossman & Leo Frankowski Summary The Two-Space War by Dave Grossman & Leo Frankowski Men who go up to the stars in wooden ships--into a universe of danger! It is six hundred years in the future and mankind has learned to move between the stars ... by going into Two-Space, the vast realm where sentient wooden ships travel beneath canvas sails in a universe that is corrosive to technology. As they charge headlong into the galaxy, humans discovered others who were already there: The elven Sylvans who live in the vast forests of low-gravity worlds, the dwarven Dwarrowdelf who thrive deep in the mines of high-gravity worlds, and other, far more alien races. The ancient Sylvan race is enchanted by the human culture, embracing Tolkien and his elves not as prophecy but a description of reality. Against this stellar backdrop, Lt. Thomas Melville's ship is mortally wounded. With his captain dead, Melville must capture a feral sentient enemy ship, then he must fight his way across the galaxy to warn of a vast invading armada. In an odyssey of turmoil and battle he forges his ship and crew into a mighty weapon of war and seeks the love of an alien princess. Now, if he can only survive the attacks of two very alien empires, and avoid being court martialed by his own nation of Westerness for getting them involved in a vast intergalactic war, he might live to enjoy the fruits of his labor.
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Sept 17, 2006 0:14:40 GMT -5
Post by abisai on Sept 17, 2006 0:14:40 GMT -5
Bones: you call my actual experience from an actual event I partook in just conjecture, but accept the provocative theories about the entire human race across the entire planet from some other guy. I suppose you don't know me from a some TV character, and I did not explain my scenario much (nor care to expound upon further), but you have read that guy's work. Trust me though, you're thoughts on my scenario were rather wide of the mark.
My perspective was the Killology thing reads like crazy talk, on par with something the guy at the end of the bar spouts off. It's hard for me to read things like that, let alone take them seriously. That's my take, I found the novel about elfs flying a pirate ship through space more intriguing in all honesty (yes, I am a DnD head). That's my opinion and everyone's entitled to them.
But Bones indicated not using firearms even if armed and in a confrontation. I think that's great. But that is also why I think people should get by without them. If you can handle yourself without a gun, do it. If you can't handle yourself without a gun, you probably won't be able to handle yourself with a gun either. I'm all for baseball bats for emergencies and I am not stupid - if a gun preventing a crime and injured a criminal that's great. I believe there's not enough of that to warrant the carte blanche abuse of the second amendment and arming too many people who I do not trust to wield the decision of life or death at the pull of a trigger.
And I certainly disagree with equating policing with warfare, for a whole host of reasons. Drawing any parallels between handguns and nuclear weaponry is about as askew as we could go. That's all beside the point, the point this topic is about arming average people on the street. So, do average citizens need guns in order to protect ourselves is the heart of the matter. I say definitely not, we need more police and fewer criminals. Freakonomics offers up how to accomplish the latter (also reminds us about bigger threats than guns, like drowning deaths being more prevalent than misfired guns at the homestead). Hiring more cops addresses the former.
The best way for the average guy on the street to avoid facing an armed criminal is to avoid situations prone to having armed criminals present. I don't think that's unrealistic. I have lived in places with lots of crime, still do come to think of it. But there are just certain places to avoid and certain places that are almost always going to be alright. Even if there is something awry, what are the chances someone pulls a gun? What are the chances I cannot avoid irreparable harm from that situation if it happens? I rate these all very low risks for the average guy on the street, to the point of neglible. Most victims know the criminal who harms them. I've got no numbers, but the hardliners who wants a gun is going to want a gun no matter what the actual degree of risk.
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