|
books
Nov 18, 2004 13:34:42 GMT -5
Post by Ringleader1 on Nov 18, 2004 13:34:42 GMT -5
I am reading the War of the Spiderqueen book three and the two of main Drow female characters just got down on the leezie tip. The Anointed Blade of Jaezared Chaulssin is badass. He just assassinated a matron mother. Gromph Baenre and A Drowlich are in the mix and all are plotting. This is a good series and all 5 of the books are written by different authors. Which is cool and interesting. I wonder if they all sat down and mapped out the plot or made it up as the went along. Dos this series inspire another underdark campaign? I think such a campaign could support an all evil party if any could; or not. I know there is allot of people who want to play. I neeeeed to escape my tower.... perhaps a return (for some of us) to DnD sometime In the future. What say you oh Masters of the Universe (DnD)?
|
|
|
books
Nov 18, 2004 14:44:00 GMT -5
Post by Rob G on Nov 18, 2004 14:44:00 GMT -5
3001:
Yeah Clark provided references for everything he said. Like people woiuld not believe him. The deist 'atheist thing was wierd. As i understood it there were no atheists. There were people who belives there was no more then one god an people who believed in no less then one god. I may have read it wrong or misunderstood. Very strange.
Spiderqueen books: Yeah these are awesome. Most of the writer i thought were less then great but the story was so cool who cares. I think Salvatore brought the six different authors in a room and then assigned them portions of the story. For real though the story only gets deeper and better as the books go on.
Dragonlance: I returned this series once more. I thought the Chronicles were wacky and confused but good. I thought the sequel trilogy of the Twins was THE BOMB. And Dragons if Summer Flame was AWESOME. I recommend these 7 books to all fantasy and D&D deciples. Just started reading the new trilogy "War of Souls" and it has yet to grip me. They totally cheated in bringing back Tasslehoof Burrfoot. Has anyone read these and are they any good?
|
|
|
books
Nov 18, 2004 17:00:34 GMT -5
Post by Ken on Nov 18, 2004 17:00:34 GMT -5
AHHHHHH! STOP READING!!! STOP READING!!!! Those books were so disappointing I actually thought of trying to slit my throat with the paper they were printed on! Talk about books going nowhere. You can wait until the cows come home to see Raistlin again, or even Dalamar again. No character actually did anything heroic and the big mystery of who the actual "God" was is a huge let down.
Do yourself a favor, go sell those books to a second-hand book store and recoup some of your money.
|
|
|
books
Nov 19, 2004 1:26:27 GMT -5
Post by Rob g on Nov 19, 2004 1:26:27 GMT -5
Damn it.
The problem is i am so attached to those charcters. Weis and hickman write the greatest "Gray" characters. Raistlin Dalamar Lord Soth Steel Brightblade Kitiara
Oh i like the evil ones.
|
|
|
books
Nov 19, 2004 6:36:07 GMT -5
Post by Ringleader1 on Nov 19, 2004 6:36:07 GMT -5
Thank you, I'm touched .
|
|
|
books
Nov 20, 2004 8:40:04 GMT -5
Post by Ken on Nov 20, 2004 8:40:04 GMT -5
Somebody please go read Matthew Reilly, you'll thank me for sending you on the roller-coaster ride of your life. Start and read in this order...
Ice Station Area 7 Scarecrow
These three books are about the same character and his Marine Recon Unit. Unbelievably awesome.
Then check out
Temple Contest
for some other heroic but everyman characters.
|
|
|
books
Nov 22, 2004 0:15:59 GMT -5
Post by abisai on Nov 22, 2004 0:15:59 GMT -5
My prob with the Hickman/Weis dudes is the recurring theme of turning evil or evil depending on a woman. Raistlin's tormented by his mother and turns evil. Raistlin needs a woman cleric to open a portal. Raistlin's entire sister fucking Dalamar thing. Soth's marriages and the ensuing strive all women.
What is the sequal trilogy is that the prequel stuff that takes place before Chronicles?
What's the setting for Matthew Reilly books? Future, modern, space? Realistic or sci-fi?
|
|
|
books
Nov 22, 2004 19:51:01 GMT -5
Post by Ken on Nov 22, 2004 19:51:01 GMT -5
Matthew Reilly's stuff takes place in present day, Earth. He specializes in military adventure/thriller. Shane Scarecrow is the main character and his Marine Recon Unit who just gets into endless amounts of insane trouble. The best way for me to describe his books is Indiana Jones meets Tom Clancy. Great stuff.
|
|
|
books
Nov 27, 2004 5:23:55 GMT -5
Post by Rob G on Nov 27, 2004 5:23:55 GMT -5
Top answer yoru question buck, I dont know where you let off teh series so heres the run down. There are basically only 10 books that are the core of Dragonlance.
Chronicles: Were the heroes defeat the dark queen and raistlin turns evil.
Twins trilogy: Where they travel through time.
Chronicles #4 (Dragons of summer flame) Where the father of the gods Chaos returns to destroy all the gods. This marks the end of the 4th age the beginning of the age of mortals. This book was AWESOME.
The war of souls trilogy: This is not a prequel. This takes place like 60 years after the chaos war. It starts a whole new story where THE ONE GOD has come to Krynn. This was less then great and the ONE GOD was no the profound concept it nearly promised to be. Still I liked the trilogy and like the other books it brought shattering changes to the world of Krynn. In essence though only the third book counts. I could summarise the other 2 in one page.
Having completed the war of souls i will now try to go back and read all books with raistlin in chronological order. I still never totally undertsood the being Raistlin/Fistanantilius thing.
|
|
|
books
Nov 27, 2004 9:10:34 GMT -5
Post by Ken on Nov 27, 2004 9:10:34 GMT -5
Here's the thing with Raistlin/Fistandantilus.
Raistlin was very weak in body but powerful in mind and magic. When Raistlin was taking the test in the Tower of High Sorcery at Wayreth, he fell in battle with a dark elf due to his fragile state. The soul of Fastdandantilus, who was wandering around for centuries, made a deal with Raistlin, take me into yourself, and I will make you stronger to pass the test. Raistlin agreed, such was his greed to posess the magic. Fistandantilus entered his body and gave him the strength to pass the test, defeat the dark elf and make Raistlin somewhat whole again.
Mind you, the Council knew about all of this.
This began the prophecy of He that is the Master of the Past and the Present which enabled Raistlin to attain control of the Tower of Sorcery at Palanthas. Fistandantilus was the Master of the Past. He was extremely powerful in the years just before the Cataclysm, in fact, he was the councilor to the High Preist who was responsible for the Gods hurling down the fiery mountain.
Anyway, Raistlin enters the Tower of High Sorcery, where Fistandantilu's spellbooks are kept and proceeds to learn every powerful magic spell known to man.
But basically, Fistandantilus is like Raistlin's back-up. He draws energy and power from Fistandantilus when he needs it most, at the same time surrendering more and more of himself over to Fistandantilus every time he does. It was Fistandantilus who forced Raistlin to don the black robes. Raistlin is not inherently evil, but his desire to be a whole, complete human being instead of a frail person, who has to depend on his brother so much, drives him to make these bargains. Magic is the only thing that makes Raistlin whole, and he would do anything to posess the magic, including letting Fistandantilus in.
|
|
|
books
Nov 27, 2004 18:52:32 GMT -5
Post by Rob g on Nov 27, 2004 18:52:32 GMT -5
|
|
|
books
Nov 29, 2004 15:15:20 GMT -5
Post by abisai on Nov 29, 2004 15:15:20 GMT -5
Raistlin assumes control of the Tower of Sorcery in the past under the guise of Fistandilietrilyltityliwikkyshuffleus in the past, taming the tower's creepy guardians as their master. His role in the past - leading the wars too - was all recorded under the history books as being done by Fisty. I thought that's why that happened. I never read Chronicles, just the original Twins trilogy. Hadn't known of the Chronicles relationship, but in Twins they have all that blurry stuff included, with the tale of Raistlin duping and defeating the master. I loved his use of street magic in the dead magic zone to prove himself as a master pupil. You would think the master mage of all-time as he was billed to be would see right through that, but still a cool concept. Raistlin's sleight of hand... Anyhow, their relationship reminds me of the ending to Being John Malkovich? Again, I have not read Chronicles and intend to someday, but for a crackpot theory: is it possible that Fisty talking to Raistlin during the test was actually -dum-dum-dum- Takhisis? Yeah, I really don't have any reason to suggest that do I? lol [Edit: This was a very stupid idea. However, reading Chronicles there is a very different relationship between the mages. I guess I am to chalk this up to Raistlin gaining power. I am hoping to read more of their relationship in pages to come.]
I thought only the halfling's appearance, disrupting the fabric of time, was what upset Astinus. Tasslehoff, that silly little guy.
|
|
|
books
Jan 2, 2005 23:57:02 GMT -5
Post by abisai on Jan 2, 2005 23:57:02 GMT -5
Merry Chanuquanzamas everyone, hope you got some reading goodies too, unless you were bad in 2004 OK, I am retarded when it comes to certain things... I read Twin trilogy and just got Chronicles for Xmas. Read the first book and was struck that the storylines I already knew were not advanced any further back in time. Page 1 Twins trilogy: Raistlin is evil and has greater causes he refuses to share with anyone, even his idiot brother. Page 1 Chronicles: Raistlin appears evil and has greater causes he refuses to share with anyone, even his idiot brother. I hated Caramon's blind allegiance and wanted to learn why he is so damned stupid. I remembered something in Twins about how Raistlin's potential goodness was shown to a gully dwarf Bupu - hardly a great thing I read though, he risked nothing, gained a major spellbook from it, and that's all. Also, the characters just meet after five years and are best friends? Who starts a book that way? "There's a great storyline to these people, but let's not start with it, let's start with throwing them all together even though they seem to be opposites that should despise each other" totally leaving the reader to bite wholesale the relationships as tenuous as they seem to be at that point in time. Sorry to rant, I love the Raistlin character and will delve further into it as I continue with Chronicles, but this was my first impression after the first book. Also back to Raistlin, I found the portrayal of Fistandilius's relation to him depicted differently. I hope that is due to him mastering it later in this particular trilogy. In other news, my uncle who is a college professor sent me a book called Bunny Suicides. It's page after page of cartoon drawn bunnies committing suicide. Some is sick shit, some is funny. Like a giant arc in the background and two bunnies suntanning in the foreground instead of getting aboard. Or the bunny that jumped into the helicopter blades. Someone tell me why he would see this thing and think to himself "aha, Dave Buckley is a sick man, he will enjoy thoroughly this sick material". I also scooped Imperial Hubris. After I read that goodness I will report on political threads as that is exactly where it belongs. It's the CIA dude who wrote about the war on terror. I must read.
|
|
|
books
Jan 31, 2005 14:09:50 GMT -5
Post by abisai on Jan 31, 2005 14:09:50 GMT -5
I'm mid through second of Chronicles and I love it. The development of the stories is great, though I pine for the story of the party's origins. I read once that these began as the idea of writing a book about actual DnD campaign, then they scrapped that and went ahead with artistic license. That was a good idea and explains why the story just begins with them meeting five years after separating. It still puts a bug in me the constant lovelines thrown in for no good reason, but most books do the same thing so I can't be mad at them. There's too much goodies there to be mad about the stale apples thrown in the mix.
Funny 1: I was so interested in the Majeres and Tanis that when the book switches back a hundred pages later the rest of the party I was like "what, they were separated, oh yeah there were other people doing something else"
Funny 2: Flint is a dwarf that fears water. When I made Mergin I made him a dwarf afraid of water. I never had any real reason to make this other than a character background I created, but the coincidence was funny. The only dwarf I ever made matching the only dwarf I have ever read about (after the fact).
|
|
|
books
Feb 1, 2005 22:12:00 GMT -5
Post by Rob G on Feb 1, 2005 22:12:00 GMT -5
I read once that these began as the idea of writing a book about actual DnD campaign, then they scrapped that and went ahead with artistic license. Absolutely, You can clearly tell where this occured. It changed again before the story is over. They literally went right off the meat wrack with it. I mean there is a way stories are written. Where things are foreshadowed while Themes and Motifs are developed. These guys just switched up what they were doing in mid stream. Its kindof cool though because it makes the story unpredictable. If you love it this far buck then will eat up everything after this. If you really need to know how they met. There was a sextet called "The Meeting Sextet". The first book is Kindred Spirits where a young Tanis meets Flint. Over the next 5 books they all meet up. These books were written by Jerks and i believe they all sucked.
|
|