VOTE FOR PRESIDENT

[The Nasinator]

Well, the New Hampshire Primary is going on as we speak and it looks like Kerry is in the lead. Dean seems to have either self-destructed and/or been the victim of really bad press. His so-called meltdown the other day has been greatly exaggerated by Republican entities and I feel the need to apologize on behalf of all sensible-minded republicans. I didn’t see Dean’s speech as a meltdown. I saw it as the reaction to a bitter defeat and him getting up in front of his hard-working supporters and rallying his troops to keep up the fight. I mean really, Dean was leading in the polls for, like, forever and then he comes in THIRD! Imagine all his volunteers, wondering what happened. Imagine all his supporters who were suddenly ready to jump ship. Dean has a responsibility to rally his troops into a cohesive unit, to carry on, to inspire, to lead. I think he did a good job.

Really, I think the whole episode is indicative of how people view emotions in this country. Nobody is allowed to show anger, or frustration. This simply isn’t tolerated. Bullshite! As an advocate for Anger Dispersal, (my own personal term for “taking a fit”), I say getting your anger and frustration out is healthy. Is it Presidential? Yes, when used to inspire people to greater heights of motivation.

Well, Kerry has got a tidal wave of momentum now. If he wins this primary today, he might just surf his way to the nomination. Goodbye Clark. I like that Kerry has military experience but how is his Foreign Relation experience? Will he raise taxes? Can he win, really, with a face like that? Only time will tell.

By the way, the only King I would accept is THE King Arthur and he better be wielding Excalibur and have Merlin by his side. Otherwise, fugeddaboudid.

[JBOY]

CALL IT WHAT YO WILL BUT WHEN CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE UNEMPLOYMENT WAS AT AN ALL TIME LOW. WITH BUSH IN THERE ITS AT AN ALL TIME HIGH.

I USED TO BE DEM ALL THE WAY NOT IN VOTING BUT IN SUPPORT. SINCE THEY ALLOWED ASHPOLE SHARPTON CALL HIMSELF THE SAME THING I CALL MY SELF THAT HAD TO CHANGE

NOW I VOTE FOR THE GUY WHO LIVES CLOSEST TO ME WHO IS GOING TO HELP ME AND THE SPOTS I FISH AND CAMP.

WHAT EVER HAPPEND TO THE INVESTIGATION OF BUSH FOR THE STOCK HE GOT RID OF AT THE SAME TIME ALL THESE OTHER CEO RIPED OF BILLIONS.

ANYONE WITH UNLIMITED ACCESS TO MONEY AND POWER CANT BE TRUSTED.

[abisai]

No wait dude, I swear I can be trusted, just give me unlimited money and power, you won't regret a single thing.... ;D

Kerry is winning. This is ridiculous. Anyone else seen him ride his Harley onto Jay Leno and seem desparately old & lame trying to be young & hip. I guess the perspective to take is that none of these bozos got a chance against Bush next year, might as well put a lame duck on the firing squad? Agreed though: Dean got the major shaft. I don't get it, cannot blame Republicans alone, it's late night talk shows and morning radio cracking jokes at the guy more than anything.

2003, the year America went Spanish instead of English. This amnesty for Mexicans thing is crap. The situation is not "we cannot find Americans to work" is is "there are so many Mexicans willing to work for lower wages why would we offer Americans normal pay". The new law makes me angry. It will surely increase numbers of immigrants coming as well as those coming out the closet. More workers = increased labor supply = decreased wages. Across the board. I am predicting by the next census more Americans speak Spanish than there are Chins in China.

All them guys getting rich have too many lawyers and funding to tie up the legal process indefinitely, a la Big Tobacco did before State Attorneys got their shit together. Martha Stewart is a sacrifical lamb. I don't even believe she is guilty, though don't care that she is going to jail. The elite rich live a different world altogether and someone has to be made an example for them to fear. If me and my wife rob a bank of a few million dollars, we cannot negotiate rotating sentences to allow us continuous custody of our children, which is what some Enron couple are doing.

Viva la revolutione!

[Rob G]

A couple roating shifts in prison to raise their children.



"Your not fit to exist in society but your the best to raise our youth."

I would be OK with this if the children upon turning 18 were sent directly to prison.
Or howbout chriogenically feezing their kids until they are out.

KERRY WHO?

I guess its my bad for believing Dean was ever in the lead. Coming into the race I assumed the popularity order would go Gephart, Clark, then Kerry.

But someone somehwere said Dean was the front runner. Now Iowa says Kerry, ad New Hamshire says OK.

What the hell is going on. Now Gephart is gone. Not trhat i like him but i though he would have a bettter outing then that. You know Gephart dropped out a week ago and still got more votes in New Hampshire then Sharpton.

What scares me is that 2 inconsequential states have gotten the ball rolling. And now others will follow. We shall see soon. The southern states should not go with Kerry. Anybody but. I cant believe that Edwards is still kicking strong. Politics baffle me. from here on out I blame everything on Iowa.

GO WES CLARK

[abisai]

From real news programming down here:
I would love to try and repeat it verbatim or some fascimile of it, but the gist of an audio report was that southerners believe you need to be from the south to carry enough states to win presidency (see Clinton from Arkansas and Bush from Texas), so they want a southern drawl on the democratic ticket and aint votin for no damn Dean or something like that. And there was a literally two second clip of Kerry on TV by news program which quoted him saying "everyone makes the mistake of thinking this is all about the south".

Meet your Democratic reincarnation of the Dukakis march of failure. Insert video game music here.

[Rob G]

Slaves to the lower class.
Thats what the democratic party is.

The republican party consists of half the normal people, all the rich people, all the gun toters, All the bible bangers, and preatty much most educated white males over 30.

For the republican party to keep their constituencey happy they just have to make things easier for the rich, give some money to the rich and try and prayer and school.

The democratic party consists of half the normal people all the blacks, women, criminals, kids who live in their parents basements, crack heads, homosexuals, and preattyt much every broke joker there is.

To keep the democratuc constiuencey happy they have to make ridiculously expensive social programs that help women, minoroites, protect and promote gays.

My point here is that all constiuences are organized and demanding. But the democratc constiuencey is brutallly honest and they dont care who knows. Its terrible. The worst part is that i would say a much larger percentage of democrats does not get out to vote.

This nwas quick and unorganized. Fix later.

[The Nasinator]

Kerry did say that. It’s not about the south. OK, Maybe there are actually OTHER states than the Southern States but is it wise to alienate them anyway? This was a total Gaffe.

OK my friends. We talk about movies and politics, this article has to do with both. I’m sure you can guess my reaction to this blasphemous garbage. Please read this and sound off. Rob, I’d be curious to know what your dad’s reaction to this is. Read away, have fun, don’t hurt anybody when you’re done.

OSLO, Norway (Prager News Service, Jan. 5, 2004) -- In a just-published interview with the Norwegian Society for Universal Neutrality (NSUN), former U.S. President Jimmy Carter said that the blockbuster trilogy "Lord of the Rings" is sending dangerous messages to the world's young people.

"For three hours in this latest installment of 'Lord of the Rings,' young people the world over watch my work in the United States and your work here in Europe -- to get nations to disarm, not to make moral judgments about any nation other than America or Israel -- undone.

"We who love peace," the Nobel Peace Prize laureate continued, "have to initiate a campaign to jolt people back to our view of the world. Let's be clear about the dangers. What if young people start identifying George W. Bush with Aragorn or Gandalf, and Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden with Saruman? Even worse, impressionable moviegoers might identify the American war against Iraq and so-called 'Islamic terror' with the war against the Orcs and Mordor.

"Who knows what might happen if enough young people start thinking that war is an option, or that some people or countries can be labeled 'evil,' or that there is something noble about a soldier who kills for a 'just' cause?"

The former president continued, "I hope that the European community, enlightened Democrats and progressives in America begin to realize the potential consequences of this film. There may even be a demand among American college students to allow the return of ROTC (Reserve Officers Training Corps) recruiters to campuses. People might start regarding war as an option.
"When I saw the audience in the movie theater cheer when Orcs were killed, I shuddered," Mr. Carter said, visibly pained. "The message of 'Lord of the Rings' is just plain bad.

"We must do something to counteract this celebration of violence," Mr. Carter said emphatically. "To see even trees fight and kill is enough to make any right-thinking person sick to his or her stomach.

"You Europeans, and we in America who identify with your beautiful values of moral neutrality and pacifism, must create a major public relations campaign against these films. We have to use our access to people's hearts and minds to counter that of Hollywood, which is almost always on our side, but for the sake of profits has produced this reactionary propaganda.

"We have to publicize our vision of what the movie should have portrayed. We have to make it clear, for example, that the proper response to Saruman and the Orcs was for Gandalf and his followers to go to the negotiating table, not the battlefield. And if only the Middle Earth had a United Nations and a World Court, no unilateral war against Mordor would ever have been waged."

Mr. Carter went on to offer suggestions about how to wage a public relations campaign to turn people against the martial messages of "Lord of the Rings."

"Let us get the academic community to sign ads in the New York Times and other journals that identify with our pro-peace vision of the world. These ads would declare Gandalf a war monger and imperialist, and emphasize that the Orcs were not evil, but rather suffered from poverty and hopelessness.

"We also need," the former American president continued, "a major bumper sticker campaign. Every progressive must get a 'War is not the answer' or 'Visualize world peace' sticker to proudly respond to 'Lord of the Rings.'

"The stakes are enormous," the distinguished former president said with great emotion. "If enough people start thinking in terms of good and evil, all our years of cultivating moral and cultural relativism, anti-military thinking, pacifism and internationalism will be jeopardized. And college students, our greatest hope, may no longer accept their professors' view of America as an imperialist war monger."

At the conclusion of the interview, Mr. Carter was asked if his campaign against "Lord of the Rings" had a name. The peace activist thought for a moment, and replied, "Compassion for Mordor."

This story is fictional, but not false.

[abisai]

www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20040113.shtml

[The Nasinator]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Good man.

[Rob G]

That was great.

[The Nasinator]

Well, I think the satirical nature of the Jimmy Carter article underscores an important concept. The next president of the United States, if Democratic, must be a strong one in regards of foreign policy in these crucial times. The United States has a target painted on its back, has a bounty on its head, and is wanted in several outlaw states and terrorist organizations. As a nation, we cannot be appeasers to outlaw states, terrorist organizations or even the United Nations. Sure, peace is the goal of any civilization, and negotiation is always the humanist thing to do and is preferred over violence.

But whether it is in business or world affairs, there must always be a consequence of a failed negotiation. In business, the consequence is lost revenue and the possible strengthening of your competition because of it. Therefore, the two sides will come together to negotiate seriously, instead of stonewalling.

In international affairs, two sides negotiate in good faith with the promise of progress made whatever the goal. In Iraq’s case, 12 years of negotiation with the United Nations produced only stonewalling. Saddam knew that he could stonewall the negotiations indefinitely with no fear of recrimination or consequence. Sanctions placed against Iraq hurt his people, not Saddam himself; he had plenty of palaces to hang out in. This is why real force is necessitated. It must be a real threat of force and it must be carried out when all else fails.

This same is true for terrorist organizations. They are not countries, but organizations that hide within countries. We need a president that has the courage (not balls or lunacy), to go into these countries and stop these terrorists. Will it be unpopular with these countries (take Pakistan for instance), to go in there and bomb their soil or invade their territory? Undoubtedly, in their country and here at home. That is why we need a president who is willing to take the “hits” at home and abroad to accomplish this.

George Bush has shown he has the courage to do this. Who of the potential democratic nominees also has the courage to do this? I believe Clark does. I’m still on the fence about Kerry. I know Dean doesn’t. Dean reminds me of Jimmy Carter, the Defender of Mordor.

[Rob G]

I agree. We need a president strong in foreign policy. But for the most part i am happy with George Bush has done. He gave the world a reality check that it needed.

Message sent:
"We dont need any of you."
"We can crush any of you."
"If you are threatening us. We will blow you country up"

No this is no way to conduct business. But when george bush is gone we can act like we are ashamed of our conduct and we want to make good again. But really we're happy that we laid it down.

Now i'm no rebublican. And definatly no bush supporter. But i totally agreed with Afganistan and Iraq. After Iraq North Korea got spooked. After Iraq all negotiations with these dangerous unstable countries will go easier.

Now for the most party i think the american people are a ignorant mass who can name more people from the "the real world" then they can name senators.

But often times it seems the voters create a balance., I mean Jimmy carter was the most dosil epresident ever. His whole game was giuving evil people lots of money not to be evil. After Carter we voted in Reagan. The badest president on 2 legs. Then after Reagan George bush senior gets in. I attribute this to the people just wanting more reagan and bush was the closest thing. Plus Ducakis was a joke. Now Reagan and bUsh pent some serious cash. But in comes Clinton who along with the rebulcian congress manages to baance the budget and create a surplus.

The voters are slick.
I am now off on a rant that i dont know where its going. I guess my point is that some way the voters always manage balance. So the next guy should end up a being a foreign policy guy. But negotiations are always easier when you carry the big stick. If however George bush stays in we could see owrld war 3. Which we would win with exceptable loss of troops.

PS- Just yesterday Israel completeed negotiations with Hesbollah where by they traded hostages. 1 israeli business man was traded in exchange for 400 palistinian terrorist that were imprisoned. Can you belive this garbage.

[abisai]

Guest-Rob said:

Now for the most party i think the american people are a ignorant mass who can name more people from the "the real world" then they can name senators.

Bravo, could not have said it better myself. Also why I believe these debates and caucuses are crap. People are voting based on who they think cn beat George Bush. This means your vote is based on someone else's opinions. Plus there is the whole fugly face thing about that weasel from Ohio and even Kerry that really overshadows anything about policy or persona and allows the Bill Clintons to win every election they ever enter. Chicks dig that guy so much they vote for his wife even.

OOh-ooh, On with my turn to rant!!!!!!!!

I agree in that this upcoming election is 98% foreign policy related, with the caviat of economic stability holding. However, I don't actually personally believe this is the best way to decide who to vote for. I mean, there's Congress there ready to declare war and everything already, we have generals with massive brains, all we really need up there is a good posterboy who can make people feel good and communicate clearly. Better programs and all that are wonderful, I just think they should be directed more towards productive things within our borders and politicians usually welch on their promises. You gotta hand it to Bush for running on the "I will hook you up with some chedder" campaign and then actually managing to get it done. Likewise, his No Child Left Behind thing was promised and delivered. I don't fully agree with most of this, but he delivers nonetheless.

More to the point, there was a time to act decisively and dudes did just that. Afghanis on the run, holler! But that is gone and past and we lack a real international legitimacy. Sure, who cares we can do it our selves, but when it comes to intelligence reports and extraditions we need everyone we can get. It would be nice if it were more NATO than USA is my point. When 9/11 first went down the first and most prominent thought in my head was that no state could engage in such activity, knowing full well the retribution it could not handle and the general principle of shaking the very institutional role of government. I still feel that way and that every nation on the planet has a vested interest in maintaining some sense of order and decency, even when in conflict. Secret wars with no declared intention are ineffective ways of attaining an end. Terrorism is a weak strategy. Perhaps easier to implement, but not an effective bargaining tool.

That all said, Bush and co. really made their point. Libya cowers. North Korea plays ball. Iran talks. Pakistan and India embrace in a hug. Hard to argue with the emprical results, most prominently evidenced by the capture and farsical display of the disposed Saddam Hussein. Damn, am I talking myself into voting for this guy? Not yet.

For my money, Kerry is Dukakis, Dean is Steve Forbes, Edwards is Bill Clinton and Lieberman is Janet Reno. Beware the South! If Edwards gets his ball rolling, who knows. I still think the real winner for the Dems will be VP candidate who gets massive publicity without stigma of a loss (Ahem, Liberman).

Oh yeah, that Jews for Palestinians swap was dirty. Jews captured in 1999-2000 at latest. Palestinians as far back as fifteen years ago. Israel is my least favorite country. They refuse these Palestinians equal citizenship, refuse them their own territory, and claim anti-semitism if you disagree with their agenda. A crock says I. Crock! lol

[Rob G]

Great post buck,

I actually like leiberman alot. Hes definatly the most inteeligent one in the race. But he lacks a certain UMPF.

Then theres clark whos the man in every single way. Except it appears to me he trying like hell to play Politician when it dont work for him. And he comes accross nervous and weak.

Dean is insane lunitic man. If hes the guy i'll probably jump on board the same way i used to jump into a car with all my drunk friends.

Edwards, Forgive me as i am a prejudice northern who beliees every one with a southern accent is stupid. But i just dont think hes got the experience and I would ot follow him anywhere. But if we need to put him on the card as VP to get the votes thats fine with me.

Kerry, Er, to me hes the least interesting. Bucks right, he is michael dukakis reborn. He should just go away.

So I guess its clark or lieberman for my money.

[SCREW EM ALL]

LINE ALL THOSE MONEY STEALING LYING ASS POLITICIANS AND OPEN FIRE WITH A THOMPSON OR SOMETHING THEN WHICH EVER GUY IS LEFT STANDING OR AT LEAST BREATHING SHOULD GET THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION.